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Don Preston and Sam Frost debate review

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A debate recently took place involving Don Preston and Sam Frost. Sam educated Jeremiah Nortier (his team mate) on how some of the heretical Max King framework plays out. And Jeremiah did his fair share of homework in preparation for the debate.

Frankly, Don Preston and Mike Sullivan got brutalized in the debate. Even though I’m not on Team Frost or Team Preston, it’s very safe to say that Team Frost most definitely won the debate by exposing blatant heresy. Sam Frost and Jeremiah Nortier radically exposed Don Preston and Mike Sullivan and some of the Max King framework (Covenant Eschatology Full Preterism). But from my perspective, all four guys doing the debating are on Team 501c3 Churchianity.

Generally speaking, I see debates as “platforming”, and the winners ultimately end up being everybody involved. Each side has their diehard fans and followers, and each side will always end up gaining more fans and followers because of the debate. It all ends up being sanitized and programmatic – with a level of “professionalism” that makes men look like emasculated tools. But, it all feels good and feeds the flesh – which is the name of the game.

All four of the guys in this recent debate are part of 501c3 Churchianity in bed with Washington DC. In this way, they are platforming each other and playing on the same team. It’s team “me”, as in “my brand needs platforming, more exposure, and more followers!”

The following below is my comment I left on Jeremiah’s YouTube channel – where Jeremiah and Sam did a review video. As a side note… I’ve been exposing Don Preston, William Bell, and the whole of the Covenant Eschatology Full Preterism Cult for the past 20 years! Sam Frost was in this cult when I was exposing this cult! These pulpit pimps are so proud of doing what I’ve been doing for 20 years! Sam Frost needs his attention – whether it be a major leader in the Max King Cult, or whether it be a (now) Presbyterian pastor. And Jeremiah is just beginning his religious business career. By the way, Jeremiah’s once very good friend, Zach Davis, is now a major leader in the Max King Cult. Oh! What a tangled web 501c3 Churchianity weaves!


Jeremiah, You’re a newbie to the scene. Not Sam though. The things you brought up have been argued time and time again.

Don Preston actually has “three deaths” of his false Jesus Christ! Don teaches that his Christ “died spiritually on the cross before a physical death”. Don teaches that this alleged “spiritual death” was necessary to “begin a 40 year Atonement process”. Then Don says the physical death of his false Christ on the cross was “part and parcel of the entire Atonement process”.

Don does not have the biological blood and body sacrifice be THE MEANS of the Atonement. Don does not believe in the finished atoning work of Jesus Christ on the cross. Don has “a 40 year Atonement process”. This is why he admitted that forgiveness of sins and the Atonement came in AD 70 at the destruction of Jerusalem, which is what he says is the sign that his Jesus Christ came back the second time.

Hmmmm! Forgiveness of sins and the Atonement at the second of Christ?!?!

This is all part of the Max King framework THAT SAM FROST TAUGHT FOR 15 OR SO YEARS!!! Hmmmm! How does somebody get saved at 8 years old, then 25 years later at the age of 30 or so, GET INVOLVED WITH THE MAX KING CULT GUYS FOR 15 SOLID YEARS!!!!!!!!!! 15 years of being in a cult with no inner check from the Holy Spirit?!?!

Sam said it best! HE LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF ALL THE ATTENTION HE WAS GETTING!!!

Well now! Now we’re getting somewhere! Look at where your ex-buddy Zach Davis is at today!!! Also in the Max King Cult!!! And I’m sure he’s enjoying every minute of the attention he’s getting!

This is the thing. When you love power, control, fame, creating, having influence, etc., there’s always bait on the hook to chomp down on. But to have fame in the world is very very different than having fame (be chosen) with Jesus! So many are going to find out at physical death that they were never truly born again by God – but they endeavored to be somebody important in the world – make their mark, have some power, have some fame, have some influence, etc.

There’s being Doug Wilson, Jeff Durbin, and Sam Frost famous here in the world. And then there’s being Stephen, Cornelius, and Paul famous in glory in the highest Heaven for all eternity.

501c3 Churchianity in bed with Washington DC is absolutely no different than the Jewish religious leaders in bed with Rome in the first century. It’s all about the confidence trick game and getting people to come alongside you. You, Sam, Mike, and Don are all in the same boat. Con men platforming con men! Enjoy your fame here in the world while you can. Or repent. Of course, the Lord Jesus Christ knows who are his. The not-so-funny thing about a narcissist in today’s world is that they get really really good at making sure nobody can see the old man sinful nature – but for those who can receive the things of God (a spiritual man), narcissists are still easily called out. The good thing for the narcissist who chooses religion as a career, is that most everybody is a natural man who cannot receive the things of God! This is why there are so many congregants, parishioners, fans, followers, disciples, and tools who want their ears tickled and their flesh fed! Narcissists absolutely love being teachers to stupid and natural men and women who need them in their life! I mean, God forbid that God the Holy Spirit be the teacher of genuine Christians! Guess what?! Outside of 501c3 Churchianity that’s married to Washington DC, this is actually the way it works! So many are going to be shocked when they physically die! So many who played the religion game, and who got their reward here in the world – by conning people and thinking too highly of themselves!

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